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know what that is, martha? martha: what? bill: that's a bear market, folks. claim by an economist who says the national debt which stands just shy of 17 trillion isn't even close to what the government and you the taxpayer really owe. oh joy. martha: fantastic. bill: i'm bill hemmer. welcome to "america's newsroom." martha: and i'm fine. i'm martha maccallum. good morning, everybody. the gentleman who came with this is james hamilton. he is a economics professor at university of california at san diego. and he claims that the true national debt is more like 70 trillion dollars. and that the government has been low balling us for years according to him by keeping certain debt off the books. bill: with the government on the hook for ious like social security and medicare and pension promises across the country, combined with an aging population, america could be in a whole lot of hurt. charles payne, fox business network. 70 trillion, do you buy that, charles? >> bill, not only do i buy it i think that number is on the low side. bill: the real number could be higher than 70 trillion? ho
its investigation into this tragic plane crash. martha? >> jonathan, thank you. >>> another fox news alert right now to a federal courtroom in our nation's capital where jess jessie jackson, jr. was just sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison. jackson will be receiving congressional disability pay despite his resignation. he's asked that his wife, sandra, be given probation and both of them apparently choked back tears as they addressed the judge this morning. the pair were apparently raking in a combined salary of some $300,000 at the time that they were spending the campaign cash and clearly mingling it for private expenses with political ones. that's the latest. 2 1/2 years for jesse jackson, jr. >>> a teenager at the center of a national manhunt apparently going public a mere 48 hours after her rescue. hannah anderson apparently taking to the internet to answer questions about what happened calling her captor a psycho and saying that he deserved what he got. the 40 year old who was a very close family friend before all of this started was shot dead by the police when they found him.
more. he's on martha's vineyard, that's where the president is because he's on vacation. dan, everybody has been waiting for the president to come out and say something about egypt and they're all wondering one thing. will the president finally say that what's happened in egypt was a coup? >> well, you know, it's unclear whether the president will go that far. the white house is saying a determination was made that it should not be called a coup in the interest of the united states. but as you pointed out, he will be hearing from the president for the first time on this issue. the white house saying that the president will make a statement to the pool cameras at 10:15. now, that will be tape, it will not be live. a few minutes after that before we get a chance to see that videotape to hear exactly what the remarks are from the president. so far the face on this story for the administration has been secretary of state john kerry. yesterday, he held a briefing with reporters. that's when he condemned the violence in egypt. talked about the need for restraint for the egyptian interim gover
to the latest chaos from martha's vineyard. >> while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. this morning, we notified the egyptian government that we are counseling our biannual joint military exercise, which was scheduled for next month. going forward, i've asked my national security team to assess the implications of the actions taken by the interim government and further steps that we may take as necessary. >> left unsaid, any mention of the united states' $1.5 billion in annual aid. joining us now is amen mow ha dean, nbc news' foreign correspondent live for us in cairo. the horrifying death toll in a single day continues to rise. can you give us the latest grim details? and also can you tell us whether citizens are obeying the curfew that's in force or are they heeding the call of the muslim brotherhood to come out and continue protesting? >> reporter: sure. we'll start with the second question. the curfew has gone into effect. the curfew imp
is taking a break from washington this week. he's spending time with his family on martha's vineyard. the vacation comes as the president's approval rating is taking a nose-dive. major garrett is traveling with the president. >> reporter: every president needs to get away. president obama has done so less than his predecessor, president george w. bush. 14 trip and 92 vacation days compared to 50 trips and 223 for mr. bush. one common thread mr. obama's beginning to experience some second term blues. the president stepped on to the island paradise confronting some of the diceiest poll numbers of his presidency. it's only one poll but gallup constantly tracks his approval. 50% of the country disapproving. his approval rating was 51% last year a low not seen since december 2011. it's usually due to defections among democrats. revelations of counterterrorism surveillance programs more aggressive than during the bush years has unsettled the president's base. >> i want to make clear, once again, that america is not interested in spying on ordinary people. >> reporter:
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to the situation in egypt from martha's vineyard where he is on vacation . he condemned the violence, but stopped short of calling it a coup or announcing cuts to the $1.5 billion in aid to egypt's military. >> while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. as a result, this morning we notified the egyptian government that we are canceling our biannual joint military exercise , which was scheduled for next month. going forward i have asked my team to assess the implications of the actions taken by the interim government and further steps that we may take as necessary with respect to the u.s.-egyptian relation. >> the state department spokesperson said the administration is reviewing aid to egypt and all forms. we will get an update from cairo with sharif abdel kouddous later .n the broadcast the washington post reports the national security agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since it was given broa
in. our white house correspondent dan lothian is in martha's vineyard where the first family is on vacation. dan, why did president obama decide to take this step this week? he canceled joint military exercises between the u.s. and the egyptian military. >> reporter: that's right. he did, brianna. and the main reason is because of the escalating violence on the ground in egypt which you have just been talking about. the president condemning that violence, condemning the actions of the interim military government there and the security forces, but also there's been this sort of level of frustration within the obama administration at the slow pace of the transition from this military interim government to a democratically elected civilian government. the obama administration, at least officials within the administration, had been discussing this as an option. in fact, back in june at the time that the administration decided to delay the delivery of those f-16s, it was brought up as an option to pull out of these biannual exercises known as bright star, but it was only on wednes
on martha's vineyard with another round of golf. the white house sending deputy press s josh ernest to the cameras to condemn those attacks before secretary of state john kerry made the following remark. this sounds a lot like an endorsement of the muslim brotherhood and their leader of choice, mohamed morsi. >> these events are deplorable, and they run counter to egyptian aspirations for peace, inclusion, and genuine democracy. the egyptians inside and outside the government need to take a step back. >> kerry's surprise appearance at the state department briefing marked by his hubs that egypt parties can work out a diplomatic solution. this as the obama state department refuses to claim that egypt is now embroiled in a civil war or that the military takeover could be described as a coup. we're looking at an administration that still has not defined what has happened in a foreign nation over a month ago since this president was removed from office or how they plan for that matter to preserve american interests in that region and nation. fox news chief washington correspondent james
for egypt. >> so the president breaks a vacation, makes an address from martha's vineyard on thursday. talk about what he said. are we doing the right thing? are we doing enough? >> i would have called it a coup six weeks ago. in terms of democracy in the middle east has been -- that credibility has been lost. that said, the united states is going to have influence only on the margins. perhaps it can draw boundaries around which the military has to operate. by not calling it a coup, we signal we're going to learn with whatever ultimately emerges in terms of a new government in egypt. >> p.j., if we were to label this a coup, that would mean we would have to stop funding any sort of military aid, any sort of humanitarian aid support to egypt. is that true? >> well, it is true. that's why the administration has largely decided they're not going to decide. and barring some sort of horrific -- >> what is that getting us right now? the money that we are supplying to egypt, what is that doing for the united states's interests there? >> well, the united states looks at the egyptian military as the
in alabama. congressman, freshman congressman martha roby -- she was elected in 2010, i should say. at a tea party gathering but this was unrelated to the tea party. a man gets up and really goes after president obama and this is what happened. >> what i need from you is to know what you can do, you and your fellow non-communist colleagues in the lower house, what you can do to stop these communist tyrannical executive orders laid down by this foreign born american hating communist desp despot? what can you do? we need to know. >> so, thank you for your question. he said it loud enough that you all heard it. look. i can't em. did can't emphasize the oversight part of my job enough. i think that's what's gets lost every day because that's exactly what we're doing, we're chasing down these executives orders, we're chasing down these rules that are promulgated that are back door legislation that agencies, whether it is the epa, the irs, go down the list. >> well, she didn't repeat it or agree with it but she did not challenge it. i should read before we go off on this, read the official respons
's kristin welker in martha's vineyard, nbc's michelle kosinski in cairo. i want to get a sense how closely we know the president is following this back and forth over the plan he introduced on friday. already we noted senior republicans are criticizing him, warning his plan could account an actually slow anti-terrorism efforts. >> as you mentioned, this is a working vacation. his national security adviser susan rice is here with him on martha's vineyard. he's getting briefed regularly on a whole host of topics. including, you would have to assume, the ongoing debate about his government surveillance programs. as you point out, republicans -- they really went after the president, arguing that he hasn't done a good job of explaining the program. that is why there are these problems really getting the public on board, and will worry that ultimately it is sort of draining and limiting his ability and the government's ability to fight terrorism. so that is what republicans have been saying. democrats, he's getting some criticism from them as well. some democrats essentially saying that they sti
there. this morning on martha's vineyard president obama told egypt's leaders and the american people what the u.s. response will be. >> this morning we notified the egyptian government that we are canceling our biannual joint military exercise which was scheduled for next month. going forward i've asked my national security team to assess the implexications of the actio taken by the interim government and further steps we may take as necessary with respect to the u.s.-egyptian relationship. >> nbc's ayman muhyeldin is live in cairo, egypt right now. nbc's kristin welker joins us from martha's vineyard. figures are staggering today. more than 520 people killed. i want a sense of the atmosphere right now compared to what it was like just yesterday and if you've had a chance to hear any reaction from the people of egypt in regards to what the president said a short time ago. >> well, let's start off with the situation here and that is for the second straight night a curfew is being imposed across cai cairo. that's expected to go into effect any minute if it hasn't already. the egyptian
. for more, let's go to nbc's chris kin welker live from martha's vineyard. i understand the news today is the nsa is pushing back against a new report they violated rules thousands of times. what can you tell us about the nsa's response? >> joy, i can tell you that the nsa is holding a conference call as we speak. i ran outside after having listened to part of that call to give you the latest information. it's being conducted by jim delong, the director of compliance with the nsa. and so far, he's made a few points in an attempt to push back against that "washington post" article. first he said no one at the nsa tolerates mistakes or thinks that mistakes are okay. when mistakes are determined they try to correct eb them as quickly as possible. he tried to put the number of mistakes into context, that report of thousands of instances, he made the point that over the course of just one month, the nsa conducts about 20 million queries. so according to mr. delong, the fraction of mistakes is really minuscule when you look at that 20 million figure. and then he also made one more point, joy
.s. gives acypt each year. ne vacation in martha's vineyard, mr. obama had this to say. >> we deplore violence against civilians. we support universal rights insential to human dignity, including the right to peaceful protest. we oppose the pursuit of martial cw, which denies those rights to citizens under the principle that security trumps individual righ freedom or that might makes right. and today, the united states extends its condolences to the families of those who were killed and those who were wounded. >> pelley: what is at stake? we're bringing in juan zarate, an advisor in the george w. bush administration. he's now our senior national security analyst. and major garrett, our senior white house correspondent. major, what did the an administration do to try to head did thef? >> scott, behind the scenes, the ceministration proposed at least two diplomatic options, and it sent deputy secretary of state bill burns to cairo to deliver of staand asked republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham to back them up. one called for morsi to return se power briefly, resign, and up
of america's top commander today at the area known as martha's vineyard. >> hi, guys! nice day, huh? gorgeous. >> having a good time? >> having a great time, as always. >> pelley: it was sunny and in the '70s as the president went bike riding with his 15-year-old caught the hear leia. also joining the presidential pedalcad were the first lady and 12-year-old sasha. the first family's vacation end on sunday. school kid in moore, oklahoma, began a new school year today carrying memories of the tornado and the classmates they lost. that's next. if you've got it, you know how hard it can be to breathe and man, you know how that feels. copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all med
will return to the white house h tonight after vacationing on martha's vineyard for the past nine days. the president has kept a low low profile. he was back on the golf courseol today with thef pft the world bank, a fundraiser andaise presidential aid. he did interrupt his vacation to speak out publicly and condemn the violence in egypt. >> 79 people were killed in crashes between police and supporters of former president mohamed morsi saturday raising the death toll to nearly 900 inl the past four days in egypt. e with the violence showing no signses of slowing down, d lawmakers are voicing opinions o on what the united states's rol' should be. fox's brian yenis has the latest. >> reporter: united states givev egypt about $1.5 billion annually. that amount is second to the $3 billion given each year to israel. since the removal of president mohamed morsi and it violent uprising president obama stopto delivering f.-16 jets and canceled joint exercises withiss egypt but has not cut off aid. >> the president is caught is between a rock and a hard place. egypt is a very, very important c
the president this week and he was speaking from martha's vineyard he did not mention the aid but did say the u.s. government is canceling its military exercises. is that a big deal or not? it seems like the military is occupied at the moment. and not exactly -- >> right. >> well, this is a biennial exercise so every two years. the last time it was held bright star was in 2009 because in 2011, they also had their hands full with the revolution and couldn't do it. in some ways, you can say it's symbolic and other ways it allows us to understand how the other side works. many countries participate in it. just a slap on the wrist. what's real is if they're considering, for example, they've stopped giving the f-16. they put that on hold. if they decide to stop giving other hardware, if they're not really letting aid flow since july 3, since this ouster, that's the bigger question. and we'll have to see where it goes. if things get worse, they're not going to be able to continue with the policy they have right now. that's my prediction. amy: thank you very much for that. here at home, a decision by
, speaking in martha's vineyard were the obama's are on vacation. chris toensing, talk about the u.s. response. well, i think there's been quite muted, although it has been described by the washington post and elsewhere as a condemnation, was not a very sharp condemnation i think in the clip that you played from secretary john kerry at the outset of this story here. i think the second sentence of his mouth was that he called on both sides to exercise restraint and to pull back from the brink of constipation. -- consternation. that is a way of inflicting the blame should fall squarely on the shoulders of the military junta. >> i want to go to what john kerry said yesterday. >> today's events are deplorable and they run counter to egyptian aspirations for peace, inclusion, and genuine democracy. egyptians inside and outside of the government need to take a step act. they need to calm the situation. they need to avoid further loss of life. we also strongly oppose a return to a state of emergency law, and we call on the government to respect a sick human rights including freedom, peace
made a statement on the deteriorating situation from martha's vineyard earlier today. >> the united states strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypt's interim government and security forces. our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. as a result, this morning, we notified the egyptian government that we are canceling our biannual joint military exercise which was scheduled for next month. i want to be clear that america wants to be a partner in the egyptian people's pursuit of a better future, but our partnership must also advance the principles that we believe in. >> bob, that was president obama earlier today. you worked at the state department. dealt with a lot of different crises over your time there and have watched many. is the president just caught between a rock and a hard place here and did he put himself in this position? >> i don't think he put himself in a position. it is a rock and hard place. interesting thing he said there, we cannot continue as usual, which mean
on martha's vineyard. his spokesman was pressed on whether tousster of the muslim government in july and its latest assault ominous limb supporters don't make it clear that they have staged a cow data coup de tat in egypt. the obama administration has tap-danced around it like fred astaire. >> what i'm trying to say to you is there are certain legal obligations that go with the definition of a coup, and it has been determined by senior foreign policy officials in this administration to not make a determination. >> we look at our legal requirements determine that we're not required to make a determination. we look at everything through the prism at what is the impact on national security, on regional stability? how can we best play a role? >> reporter: they say it's misguided with disastrous effects. as we predicted and feared, he tweeted, we fear they have taken over. >> from cairo to baghdad, we're failing acro the board. obama's foreign policy is not working. the mid east is literally in flames, and the biggest prize of all is egypt. if we lose egypt. if egypt becomes a failed actured stat
on the widespread deadly violence in egypt. speaking from martha's vineyard, he cop demmndemned the violence has killed more than 500 and wounded over 3,000. have a listen. >> to the egyptian people, let me say the cycle of violence and escalation needs to stop. we call on the egyptian authorities to respect the universal rights of the people. we call on those who are protesting to do so peacefully. and condemn the attacks that we've seen by protesters, including on churches. we believe the state of emergency should be lifted. the process of national reconciliation should begin. that all parties needed to have a voice in egypt's future. that the rights of women and religious minorities should be respected. and the commitments must be kept to pursue transparent reforms to the constitution and democratic elections for parliament and a president. >> in egypt there is more violence on the street as we speak. members of the muslim brotherhood storming a government building in giza, that's where the pyramids are located. supporters of morsi are also attacking police stations, hospitals, and government
for a response. also no word from the president himself. still vacations on martha's vineyard. dan is there, good morning. >> reporter: the obama administration not only strongly condemning the violence but calling for restraint and calling for the interim government to respect the rights of the people there. josh earnest saying that the u.s. will continue to hold the egyptian government accountable for the promise they made to speed up the transition to a democratical democratically elected government. but what's missing in all of this is what then? we do know there have been a lot of conversations between u.s. egyptian officials. but still more than a billion dollars in aid continues to flow from the united states to egypt. the white house saying that that aid is under review. one other point is that the white house still will not call what happened in egypt a cue. officials saying it's been determined that it's not in the best interest of united states to do so. a lot of tough talk from the obama administration, but no concrete steps on what will happen next. in the meantime, the president con
gathering at martha's vineyard in massachusetts and we'll have audio of the president's comments coming up at about 10:15 eastern time on c-span television and c-span radio. and the video will be fed in later this morning. we'll have that as well. we'll also post it on our website at c spafment.org. the death toll, more than 500 killed yesterday. 3,500 injured. diana is joining us from warren, michigan, on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to say that this really breaks my heart to hear of this. no one can win. if one person ever dies. it can never be of any been fit to anyone -- benefit to anyone if somebody else dies. trust in money -- you can't buy trust. you can't give money to buy their trust. people feel a better sense of accomplishment when it's earned. everybody wants to be the chief. nobody wants to be the indian. here you have people over there don't mind staying there, they don't want to move over here, and yet everything that they worked so hard for many a years to build is being destroyed. that breaks my heart. that really breaks my heart. i
is vacationing in martha's vineyard. here is part of those remarks. >> that is why we are so concerned by reason -- recent events. we appreciate the complexity of the situation. mohamed morsi was elected president in a democratic election him and his government was not conclusive and did not respect the views of all egyptians. egyptians wereny calling for a change in course. we do not believe force is the way to resolve political differences, after the military's intervention several weeks ago, there remained a chance for reconciliation and an opportunity to pursue a democratic path. instead, we have seen a more dangerous path taken. arbitrary arrests, a broad crackdown on mohamed morsi's associations and supporters, and now tragically, violence has taken the lives of hundreds of people and wounded thousands. the united states strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypt's interim government and security forces. we deplorable violence against civilians. we support universal rights to human dignity, including the right to peaceful protest. we oppose the pursuit of martial law. it den
. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent is in martha's vineyard where the president is vacationing with the first family. wendell, lawmakers are waying in on this relationship and the decision to cancel the meeting there at the summit. >> reporter: harris, they did on the sunday talk shows, few if any willing to say canceling the summit was a mistake. but there are a lot of questions about and criticisms of the relationship. john mccain says the u.s. ought to press harder for the european missile defense and he asks what edward snowden was doing with so much classified information anyway. >> it couldn't have been part of his job. what about congressional oversight? have we had a failure there? clearly, mr. snowden's being granted asylum in russia is a signal of incredibly bad relations between the united states and russia. and mr. putin putting his thumb right in america's eye. >> reporter: former nsa director michael hayden says he doubts there will be major changes in the agency's operation. he notes the president has called for more transparency and for a civil li
is on a dangerous path. >> the president took time-out from his vacation on martha's vineyard to condemn the violence. >> while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. as a result, this morning we notified the egyptian government that we are canceling our biannual joint military exercise, which was scheduled for next month. going forward, i've asked my national security team to assess the implications of the actions taken by the interim government. and further steps we may take as necessary with respect to the u.s./egyptian relationship. >> columnist with "the daily beast" joins us now from washington. good to see you. >> thank you. >> first of all, the u.s. doesn't have much options at this point. i mean, the money itself isn't really cash money, it's goods and u.s. contractors get the cash. >> we give them money to buy our stuff. >> and listening to the u.s. at the moment in the region anyway. so what can they do? >> well, in egypt, yes, leverage
, the casting call is already out. while the president vacations in martha's vineyard, the white house continues to fend off criticism from within his own party from one potential nominee of the chair of the federal reserve. larry summers. or the man described by one former colleague as someone you sometimes feel like smacking. after a capitol hill meeting in which he scolded congressional democrats for their criticism of summers, last week president obama continued his not really promotional larry summers promotional campaign. >> i think the perception that mr. summers might have an inside track simply had to do with attacks that i was hearing on mr. summers preemptively which is sort of a standard washington exercise that i don't like. >> but even after some scolding from the white house, senate majority leader harry reid remained highly skeptical of summerers as fed chief, saying ultimately it will be so divisive within the caucus it may not be worth it. further complicating summers' chances is a new bloomberg poll of economists that find a majority believe that janet yellin, not larry summer
. >> just got this new video in of president obama and his family taking a bike ride on martha's vineyard earlier today. good to see both of them wearing their helmets there. the family, first family scheduled to leave sunday. those are just a few of the things we thought you should know. time for the "news nation" gut check. it has long been the subject of wild conspiracy theories about ufos, extra terrestrials, alien autopsies, and lots more. newly released cia documents officially confirm a site in the nevada desert known as area 51 does actually exist. so exactly what does the government say was happening there? here's nbc's mara schiavocampo. >> reporter: conspiracy theory confirmed. the u.s. government has finally recognized the existence of area 51. according to recently declassified documents obtained by the national security archive at george washington university, the military air base is 125 miles northwest of las vegas. until now, it never officially existed, with all references to the area redacted from government files. >> they're no longer pretending the place doesn't exist
is dealing with the crisis in egypt while on vacation. the president is in martha's vineyard with his family. today is his last full day off there. he heads back to the white house tomorrow. >>> for generations, we have heard about area 51, the place in nevada that's synonymous in popular culture with government secrecy and ufos. well, it turns out it does exist. as cnn's dan simon shows us, it's been one of the biggest worst kept secrets of the cia. >> reporter: hollywood has long shown an obsession with area 51. >> welcome to earth. >> reporter: from aliens to ufos, it helped fuel a perception that the government has been holding onto top secret information about this remote facility in the nevada desert. until now, it had only really existed in places like "the x files" on television. but newly released cia documents officially acknowledge the site for the first time. annie jacobsen spent several years researching area 51, publishing her findings in a book. >> this has kind of become a national pastime and a great debate, you know, about aliens. and the locuk locus of this is 51. >> if yo
is vacationing on martha's vineyard. dan, what else did the president have to say about egypt? >> reporter: wolf, the president said the cycle of violence needs to stop. he condemned the actions of the military government and announced the u.s. is pulling out of joint exercises, a move that a senior administration official had been discussed as early as june but that the president made up his mind just last night. after a telephone briefing with his national security team on the escalating violence in egypt, president obama emerged from vacation mode in an effort to jolt that country's interim military government off what he called a dangerous path. >> the egyptian people deserve people. >> reporter: cancelling bright star, a long time joint biannual military exercise set for next month. >> our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. >> reporter: this stepped up pressure comes amid calls to suspend the $1.3 billion in annual u.s. military aid to egypt, something that would be virtually automatic if the whit
speaking from martha's vineyard on thursday. >> given the depths of our partnership with egypt, our national security interests in this pivotal part of the world and our belief that engagement can support a transition back to a democratically elected civilian government we've sustained our commitment to egypt and its people. but while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue, as usual, when civilians are being killed in the streets. >> for the latest on the situation now, we go to msnbc news foreign correspondent live in cairo. >> good morn, steve. a tense situation is unfolding. a mosque where dozens of supporters of the president seems to be developing. in that situation a gunfight has broken out outside the mosque and tear gas inside the mosque to try to get the supporters out. throughout the course of the early morning we headed down to that mosque and negotiations to try to get the people inside to leave, but it seems they did not trust the environment outside. they did not trust their safety or their security into the hands of
obama speaking thursday from martha's vineyard about the violence in egypt. the message seems clear. we can't expect democratic reform overpass in egypt. we have to ask when the military wipes out the results of what many may have been imperfect but democratic in nature election how are we to think the country is starting down the path. i want to bring back in mona on that very question. we saw mubarak, 40-year dictator step down in february 2011. we are now really only two years on. can we really have expected egypt to stand up a u.s. style democracy in such a short time? are these the growing pains of democracy or is egypt really fundamentally off the rails. >> you know, what i think is happening we're appreciated for the unpredictability we have. for too long egypt was considered predictable. for too long five u.s. administrations support add dictator at the expense of the people for the sake of stability. so it's that kind of predictability i'm gladys gone. again, i condemn all the blood letting but we have to get this out of our system. this is a mess but it's a necessary mess beca
in martha's vineyard. what's very interesting about this is the speeches are just the same old tired policies that we have tried before and have not worked. stimulus, essentially having government pay for bringing unemployment down. it didn't work with using billions of dollars. why should it work now? and i think the american people are recognizing that. >> and since he took office, 21 new or higher taxes. so i think the poll numbers are reflecting that as well. and of course economic growth is absolutely abysmal. it's below 2%. it should be 5% or 6%. >> absolutely. this is a very, very tepid recovery. we've had four years of recovery. it's been basically a jobless recovery. we should be seeing 6% economic growth, we're at 2%, even below right now. >> and, you know, look. take a look at this other gallup poll here. the economy and unemployment 44%, you know, say this is the most important issue. those two things. and then look at this fox news poll. 71%, as you point out, think that his recent economic speeches are just, you know, sort of the same old tired stuff that ain't working.
that he has made. >> we should explain this. it's because he's in martha's vineyard so there isn't the infrastructure to bring back the video as you would normally have. he's interrupting the holiday. it kind of takes a bit longer. i guess you can get the audio because that's where he does his weekly address sometimes but not the video. >> maybe we can get the video once it's recorded and sent out. >> we will. in about half an hour. a voice says in my ear by magic. >> mine, too. >>> royal caribbean ricing in the last couple of months so what is in store now for the rest of the cruise industry? an upgrade on carnival today from goldman's. the president and ceo of royal caribbean will join us live at post nine after this break. geoff: i'm the kind of guy who doesn't like being sold to. the last thing i want is to feel like someone is giving me a sales pitch, especially when it comes to my investments. you want a broker you can trust. a lot of guys at the other firms seemed more focused on selling than their clients. that's why i stopped working at my old brokerage and became a fina
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